VERY1

VERYONE is one of Japan's leading graffiti artists and a key figure in the Osaka scene. Starting as a hip-hop DJ in the '90s, he later transitioned into graffiti. His work can be seen not only throughout Japan but across various parts of Asia, where he has had a significant impact on the Asian graffiti scene. In this interview, we delve into his philosophy and long-standing career.
VERYONEใฏ、ๆ—ฅๆœฌใ‚’ไปฃ่กจใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚นใƒˆใฎไธ€ไบบใงใ‚ใ‚Š、ๅคง้˜ชใฎใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใ‚’่ฑกๅพดใ™ใ‚‹ไบบ็‰ฉใงใ™。90ๅนดไปฃใซใƒ’ใƒƒใƒ—ใƒ›ใƒƒใƒ—DJใจใ—ใฆๆดปๅ‹•ใ—ใŸๅพŒ、ใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใฎไธ–็•Œใซ่ถณใ‚’่ธใฟๅ…ฅใ‚ŒใŸๅฝผใฏ、ๆ—ฅๆœฌใ ใ‘ใงใชใใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขๅ„ๅœฐใงใ‚‚ไฝœๅ“ใ‚’็›ฎใซใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใปใฉ็ฒพๅŠ›็š„ใซๆดปๅ‹•ใ—、ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใซๅคงใใชๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ‚’ไธŽใˆใฆใใพใ—ใŸ。ไปŠๅ›žใฎใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใงใฏ、ๅฝผใฎๅ“ฒๅญฆใจ้•ทๅนดใฎๆดปๅ‹•ใซใคใ„ใฆใŠ่ฉฑใ‚’ไผบใ„ใพใ™。
๋ฒ ๋ฆฌ์›(VERYONE)์€ ์ผ๋ณธ์„ ๋Œ€ํ‘œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์œผ๋กœ, ์˜ค์‚ฌ์นด ์”ฌ์„ ์ƒ์ง•ํ•˜๋Š” ์ธ๋ฌผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 90๋…„๋Œ€ ํž™ํ•ฉ DJ๋กœ ํ™œ๋™ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ์— ์ž…๋ฌธํ•œ ๊ทธ๋Š”, ์ผ๋ณธ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์•„์‹œ์•„ ๊ฐ์ง€์—์„œ ๊ทธ์˜ ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋งŒํผ ํ™œ๋ฐœํžˆ ํ™œ๋™ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์•„์‹œ์•„ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์”ฌ์— ํฐ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ผ์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ์˜ ์ฒ ํ•™๊ณผ ์˜ค๋žœ ํ™œ๋™์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


LINK

instagram.com/onevery


Q

Please introduce yourself briefly.

็ฐกๅ˜ใช่‡ชๅทฑ็ดนไป‹ใ‚’ใŠ้ก˜ใ„ใ—ใพใ™
๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์ž๊ธฐ์†Œ๊ฐœ ๋ถ€ํƒ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค


A

My tag name is VERYONE. I’m mainly active in Osaka, and I’m part of crews such as HS, 246, NR, M2D, EDC, and BTV. I belong to crews in Japan, the U.S., and Indonesia, among others.

ใ‚ฟใ‚ฐใƒใƒผใƒ ใฏ VERYONE。ๅคง้˜ชใ‚’ไธญๅฟƒใซๆดปๅ‹•ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™。ใ‚ฏใƒซใƒผใฏHS 246 NR M2D EDC BTV。ๆ—ฅๆœฌใฎใ‚ฏใƒซใƒผ、ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎใ‚ฏใƒซใƒผ、ใ‚คใƒณใƒ‰ใƒใ‚ทใ‚ขใฎใ‚ฏใƒซใƒผ、่‰ฒใ€…ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™。

ํƒœ๊ทธ ๋„ค์ž„์€ VERYONE์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค์‚ฌ์นด๋ฅผ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ํ™œ๋™ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ์†Œ์†๋œ ํฌ๋ฃจ๋Š” HS, 246, NR, M2D, EDC, BTV์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ณธ, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ, ์ธ๋„๋„ค์‹œ์•„ ๋“ฑ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ํฌ๋ฃจ์— ์†ํ•ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.


Q

When and how did you start doing graffiti? What first sparked your interest in graffiti?

ใ„ใค、ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ‹?ๆœ€ๅˆใซใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใŸใใฃใ‹ใ‘ใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
์–ธ์ œ, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”? ์ฒ˜์Œ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๊ณ„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?


A

I started in 1996. I was originally a hip-hop DJ, and as I gathered more information, I came across the movie WILD STYLE. That very night, I grabbed some spray cans I had at home and went out to paint.

1996ๅนดใซๅง‹ใ‚ใŸ、ๅ…ƒใ€…ใƒ’ใƒƒใƒ—ใƒ›ใƒƒใƒ—ใฎDJใ‚„ใฃใฆใฆ、่‰ฒใ€…ๆƒ…ๅ ฑ้›†ใ‚ใฆใ„ใŸใ‚‰、ๆ˜ ็”ป「WILD STYLE」ใ‚’่ฆณใฆ、ใใฎๆ—ฅใฎๆ™ฉใซๅฎถใซใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚นใƒ—ใƒฌใƒผใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆๆ›ธใใซ่กŒใฃใŸ。

1996๋…„์— ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์›๋ž˜ ํž™ํ•ฉ DJ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ๋ชจ์œผ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์˜ํ™” 「WILD STYLE」์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋‚  ๋ฐค์— ์ง‘์— ์žˆ๋˜ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ์ด๋ฅผ ๋“ค๊ณ  ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.


Q

How would you define your graffiti style?

ใ”่‡ช่บซใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒซใ‚’ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅฎš็พฉใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ •์˜ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?


A

I started doing graffiti in the 90s when there wasn’t much information available. I just did what felt right, and by repeating the same things, I developed my current style. Although I once tried to pursue fresh new styles, now I just do what comes naturally.

90ๅนดไปฃใซๆƒ…ๅ ฑใŒ็„กใ„ไธญ、่‡ชๅˆ†ใงๆ€ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ‚„ใ‚Šๅ‡บใ—ใฆ、ไธๅ™จ็”จใซๅŒใ˜ใ“ใจใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใŸใ‚‰ไปŠใฎใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒซใซใชใฃใŸ。ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใชใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒซใ‚’ๆฑ‚ใ‚ใŸไบ‹ใ‚‚ใ‚ใฃใŸใ‘ใฉ、ไปŠใฏๆ€ใฃใŸใพใพใ‚„ใฃใฆใ‚‹。

90๋…„๋Œ€์— ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€์กฑํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ, ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•˜๋‹ค ๋ณด๋‹ˆ ์ง€๊ธˆ์˜ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์‹ ์„ ํ•œ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์„ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ ๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.


Q

Are there any artists who have significantly inspired you?

ใ‚ใชใŸใซๅคงใใชๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ‚’ไธŽใˆใŸใ‚ขใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚นใƒˆใŒใ„ใ‚Œใฐๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„。
์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์ค€ ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด?


A

In 1998, I met SIBL and NAO, two writers from San Francisco who came to Japan. They taught me a lot. In 1999, I went to San Francisco and had many experiences that shaped my current perspective on graffiti.

1998ๅนดใซๆฅๆ—ฅใ—ใฆใŸใ‚ตใƒณใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚ทใ‚นใ‚ณใฎใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒผ、SIBLใจNAOใซไผšใฃใฆ、่‰ฒใ€…ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใฃใŸ。1999ๅนดใซใ‚ตใƒณใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚ทใ‚นใ‚ณใซ่กŒใฃใฆๆฒขๅฑฑใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ใ—ใŸ。ใใฎไบ‹ใŒไปŠใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผ่ฆณใฎๅ…ƒใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹。

1998๋…„์— ์ผ๋ณธ์„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ƒŒํ”„๋ž€์‹œ์Šค์ฝ”์˜ ๋ผ์ดํ„ฐ์ธ SIBL๊ณผ NAO๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์› ์–ด์š”. 1999๋…„์—๋Š” ์ƒŒํ”„๋ž€์‹œ์Šค์ฝ”์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ €์˜ ๊ด€์ ์„ ํ˜•์„ฑํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


Q

Tell us about the HSM magazine. What was the motivation behind it, and what are its goals?

HSMใจใ„ใ†ใƒžใ‚ฌใ‚ธใƒณใซใคใ„ใฆๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„。ใใฎใใฃใ‹ใ‘ใจ็›ฎๆจ™ใซใคใ„ใฆใŠ่žใ‹ใ›ใใ ใ•ใ„。
HSM์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋งค๊ฑฐ์ง„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ๊ณ„๊ธฐ์™€ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?


A

I’ve always been taking photos, so I wanted to make my own magazine one day. In 2003, I made my first one. Back then, I was often in Korea, so I had it printed there. Printing was cheaper than in Japan, but shipping by boat cost me ¥160,000, and I didn’t account for that. The issues arrived damaged from the shipping process. From ISSUE 2, I started printing in Japan. I wanted to show the world I had seen through my graffiti and the photos I took during my travels across Asia and other places. It’s a mix of wanting to contribute to the culture and also a bit of self-promotion. I was really happy when I met someone who had been influenced by my magazine and listened to their stories.

ใšใฃใจๅ†™็œŸใ‚’ๆ’ฎใฃใฆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰、ใ„ใคใ‹่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใƒžใ‚ฌใ‚ธใƒณใ‚’ไฝœใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใŸ。2003ๅนดใซๅˆใ‚ใฆไฝœใฃใŸใ‚“ใ ใ‘ใฉ、ใใฎ้ ƒใ‚ˆใ้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝใซ่กŒใฃใฆใŸใ‹ใ‚‰้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝใงๅฐๅˆทใ—ใŸ。ๆ—ฅๆœฌใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅฐๅˆทใฏๅฎ‰ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใ ใ‘ใฉ、่ˆนใง้€ใ‚‹ใฎใซ16ไธ‡ๅ††ใ‚‚ใ—ใฆ、ใใฎไบ‹ใ‚’่จˆ็ฎ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใชใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใจ、ๆตทไธŠ่ผธ้€ใง็ตๆง‹ใƒœใƒญใƒœใƒญใ ใฃใŸ。ISSUE2ใ‹ใ‚‰ใฏๆ—ฅๆœฌใงไฝœใฃใฆใ‚‹。ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใ‚„ใ„ใ‚ใ‚“ใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใซGRAFFITIใ‚’ใ‚„ใ‚Šใซ่กŒใใฎใจ、็พๅœฐใฎGRAFFITIใฎๅ†™็œŸใ‚’ๆ’ฎใฃใฆ、่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒ่ฆ‹ใŸไธ–็•Œใ‚’ๆฒขๅฑฑใฎไบบใซ่ฆ‹ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ„ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸ。ใ‚ซใƒซใƒใƒฃใƒผใซ่ฒข็Œฎใ—ใŸใ„ๆฐ—ๆŒใกใจ、่‡ชๅทฑ้ก•็คบๆฌฒ、ไธกๆ–นใ‚ใ‚‹。ใƒžใ‚ฌใ‚ธใƒณใซๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใŸไบบใซไผšใฃใฆ、่ฉฑใ‚’่žใ„ใŸๆ™‚ใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฌ‰ใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸ。

์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ์–ด์™”๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ์ €๋งŒ์˜ ๋งค๊ฑฐ์ง„์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. 2003๋…„์— ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋•Œ ํ•œ๊ตญ์„ ์ž์ฃผ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ํ•œ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์ธ์‡„ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ผ๋ณธ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ธ์‡„๋น„๋Š” ์ €๋ ดํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ฐฐ๋กœ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๋ฐ 16๋งŒ ์—”์ด๋‚˜ ๋“ค์–ด์„œ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ํ•ด์ƒ ์šด์†ก ์ค‘์— ๊ฝค ์†์ƒ๋˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ISSUE 2๋ถ€ํ„ฐ๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ์ œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ์•„์™€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋ฉด์„œ ํ˜„์ง€์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ์–ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ฌธํ™”์— ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋งˆ์Œ๊ณผ ์ž๊ธฐ ํ‘œํ˜„ ์š•๊ตฌ, ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ฃ . ๋งค๊ฑฐ์ง„์— ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ๋ปค์–ด์š”.

Q

What was your reason for running the STOP OVER shop, and what does the space mean to you?

STOP OVERใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’้‹ๅ–ถใ™ใ‚‹็†็”ฑใจใใฎ็ฉบ้–“ใฎๆ„็พฉใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
STOP OVER ์ƒต์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์ด์œ ์™€ ๊ทธ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‹Œ ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?


A

Graffiti shops were very special places for me. I received a lot of support from them, met people, and built relationships that became essential to me. Now that I’m getting older, I wanted to create such a space myself.

่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใจใฃใฆ、GRAFFITI SHOPใจใ„ใ†ใฎใŒ、ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฅฝใใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ‚ใฃใŸ。GRAFF SHOPใซใฏๆฒขๅฑฑไธ–่ฉฑใซใชใฃใŸใ—、ใใ“ใงๅ‡บไผšใฃใŸไบบใŸใกใจไบคๆตใ—ใŸใ‚Š、่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใจใฃใฆ็„กใใฆใฏใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใฃใŸ。ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ„ใ„ๆญณใซใชใฃใฆใใŸใ‹ใ‚‰、่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใ‚’ๆไพ›ใ—ใฆใฟใŸใ‹ใฃใŸ。

์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์ƒต์€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์žฅ์†Œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์ƒต์—์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋งŒ๋‚œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ต๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์—†์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋  ๊ณณ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ด์ œ ๋‚˜์ด๋„ ์ข€ ๋“ค์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์žฅ์†Œ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


Q

How does Osaka's graffiti scene differ from other cities?

ๅคง้˜ชใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใฏไป–ใฎ้ƒฝๅธ‚ใจๆฏ”ในใฆใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็‰นๅพดใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹?
์˜ค์‚ฌ์นด์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์”ฌ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋„์‹œ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ค ํŠน์ง•์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?


A

Osaka people have a free spirit, and there’s an openness to interesting ideas. There are many graffiti shops and writers here, so I highly recommend visiting.

ๅคง้˜ชไบบใฏ่‡ช็”ฑใชๆฐ—่ณชใจ้ข็™ฝใ„ไบ‹ใŒๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅœŸๅฃŒใŒใ‚ใ‚‹、GRAFFใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚‚ๆฒขๅฑฑใ‚ใ‚‹ใ—、ใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒผใ‚‚ๅคšใ„。้Šใณใซๆฅใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็ตถๅฏพใŠๅ‹งใ‚。

์˜ค์‚ฌ์นด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ž์œ ๋กœ์šด ์„ฑํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์ž˜ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์ง€๋Š” ํ† ์–‘์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์ƒต๋„ ๋งŽ๊ณ , ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋“ค๋„ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋†€๋Ÿฌ ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•ด์š”.


Q

Graffiti is still often seen as taboo in Japan. What are your thoughts on this?

ๆ—ฅๆœฌใงใฏใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใฏไพ็„ถใจใ—ใฆใ‚ฟใƒ–ใƒผ่ฆ–ใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒ、ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฉใ†ใŠ่€ƒใˆใงใ™ใ‹?
์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ธˆ๊ธฐ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?


A

It’s really tough, but I’m trying to move things in a better direction. There’s this old rule from the Aizu Domain, "What must not be done, must not be done," and a lot of people here like that kind of mentality. Many Japanese prefer to live a safe and peaceful life, which means they like their walls clean and white. I wish it could be more like New York, but that’s a conversation that just doesn’t line up.

ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅคงๅค‰ใชใ‚“ใ ใ‘ใฉ、ๅฐ‘ใ—ใงใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ๆ–นๅ‘ใซๅ‹•ใใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅŠชๅŠ›ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹。ๆ˜”ใฎไผšๆดฅ่—ฉใฎๆŽŸ「ใชใ‚‰ใฌใ‚‚ใฎใฏใชใ‚‰ใฌ」(ใƒ€ใƒกใชใ‚‚ใฎใฏใƒ€ใƒก)ใฃใฆใ„ใ†ใฎใŒๅบƒใพใฃใฆ、ใใ†ใ„ใ†ใฎใŒๅฅฝใใชไบบใŒๅคšใ„。ๆ—ฅๆœฌไบบใฏ็„ก้›ฃใซ็”Ÿๆดปใ—ใŸใ„ไบบใŒๅคšใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰、ๅฃใฏ็™ฝใ„ๆ–นใŒๅฅฝใใฟใŸใ„。ไฟบใฏใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใฟใŸใ„ใซใชใฃใฆๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใ‚“ใ ใ‘ใฉใญ。็ตถๅฏพๅ™›ใฟๅˆใ‚ใชใ„่ฉฑ。

์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ต์ง€๋งŒ, ์กฐ๊ธˆ์ด๋ผ๋„ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์˜ˆ์ „์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ์•„์ด์ฆˆ ๋ฒˆ์˜ ๋ฒ•์น™, "์•ˆ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•ˆ ๋œ๋‹ค"๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ํผ์ ธ์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑธ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋งŽ์•„์š”. ์ผ๋ณธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด๋‚œํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์•„์„œ, ๋ฒฝ์ด ํ•˜์–€ ๊ฑธ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ €๋Š” ๋‰ด์š•์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ „ํ˜€ ๋งž์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ์ฃ .


Q

What are your views on the boundary between art and law?

่Šธ่ก“ใจๆณ•ๅพ‹ใฎๅขƒ็•Œใซใคใ„ใฆ、ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช่€ƒใˆใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
์˜ˆ์ˆ ๊ณผ ๋ฒ• ์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์ž…์žฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?


A

Before the law, I focus more on the rules of graffiti and my own personal code of things I shouldn't do. I target places like telephone poles, guardrails, and abandoned buildings, but I don’t want to paint on things that people care about.

ๆณ•ๅพ‹ใฎๅ‰ใซ、GRAFFITIใฎใƒซใƒผใƒซใจ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไธญใงใ‚„ใฃใฆใฏใ„ใ‘ใชใ„ไบ‹ใฎ่€ƒใˆใ‚’้‡่ฆ–ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹。้›ปๆŸฑใ‚„ใ‚ฌใƒผใƒ‰ใƒฌใƒผใƒซ、็„กไบบใฎๅปบ็‰ฉใชใฉ็‹™ใฃใฆๆ›ธใใ‘ใฉ、ไบบใŒๅคงไบ‹ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใซใฏใ‚„ใ‚ŠใŸใ็„กใ„。

๋ฒ• ์ด์ „์—, ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ์˜ ๊ทœ์น™๊ณผ ์ œ ์ž์‹ ์ด ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง์•„์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์—ฌ๊น๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „์‹ ์ฃผ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ€๋“œ๋ ˆ์ผ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์— ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์†Œ์ค‘ํžˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.


Q

How do you foresee the evolution of Japan's graffiti scene?

ๆ—ฅๆœฌใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใฏไปŠๅพŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ™ใ‚‹ใจไบˆๆƒณใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
์ผ๋ณธ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์”ฌ์ด ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?


A

I’m not sure what will happen, but I want to work hard to make the situation a little better. We might not be able to do bombing in the streets anymore.

ใฉใ†ใซใ‚‚ใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ๆฐ—ใ‚‚ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‘ใฉ、ๅฐ‘ใ—ใงใ‚‚็Šถๆณใ‚’่‰ฏใใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ้ ‘ๅผตใฃใฆใ„ใใŸใ„。่ก—ใงBOMBINGใชใ‚“ใฆใฎใฏ、ใ‚„ใ‚Œใชใใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„。

์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ์ด๋ผ๋„ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”. ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์—์„œ์˜ ๋ฒ„๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋Š” ๋” ์ด์ƒ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.


Q

How does Japan's graffiti scene differ from those in other Asian countries?

ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใฎไป–ใฎๅ›ฝใ€…ใจๆฏ”ในใฆ、ๆ—ฅๆœฌใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใซใฏใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช้•ใ„ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹?
์•„์‹œ์•„์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ผ๋ณธ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์”ฌ์€ ์–ด๋–ค ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?


A

Before 2005, Japan had one of the most active graffiti scenes in Asia. But now, I think it’s one of the hardest places to do graffiti.

2005ๅนดไปฅๅ‰ใฏใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใงใ‚‚ใƒˆใƒƒใƒ—ใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใฎๆดปๆฐ—ใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใ‘ใฉ、ไปŠใฏใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใงไธ€็•ชใ‚„ใ‚Šใซใใ„ใจๆ€ใ†。

2005๋…„ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ์•„์‹œ์•„์—์„œ๋„ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ํ™œ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์•„์‹œ์•„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.


Q

What are your thoughts on the potential development of the Asian graffiti scene?

ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใฎ็™บๅฑ•ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใซใคใ„ใฆใฉใ†่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
์•„์‹œ์•„ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์”ฌ์˜ ๋ฐœ์ „ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?


A

It depends on the country. Sometimes foreign writers act freely without respecting the local culture and bomb old buildings. In places like Indonesia, the scene is almost entirely run by local writers. I think the graffiti jams in Asia are a lot of fun and are more like festivals. In the U.S., there’s more competition and confrontation, so everyone keeps raising their level to avoid losing.

ๅ›ฝใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ่‰ฒใ€…ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใญ、ๅค–ๅ›ฝไบบใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒผใŒ่‡ช็”ฑใซใ—ใฆใฆ、ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขไบบใซๅฏพใ—ใฆใƒชใ‚นใƒšใ‚ฏใƒˆใŒใชใ、ๅคใ„ๅปบ็‰ฉใจใ‹BOMBINGใ—ใฆใ—ใพใฃใฆใŸใ‚Š。ใ‚คใƒณใƒ‰ใƒใ‚ทใ‚ขใฟใŸใ„ใซ่‡ชๅ›ฝใฎใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒผใ ใ‘ใงใปใจใ‚“ใฉใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใŒๅ›žใฃใฆใ‚‹ๅ›ฝใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚Š。ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใฎGRAFFITI JAMใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใŠ็ฅญใ‚ŠใฟใŸใ„ใซใชใฃใฆใ‚‹ใฎใฏ、ใ„ใ„ไบ‹ใชใ‚“ใ ใ‘ใฉ。ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฟใŸใ„ใซ่‰ฒใ€…ใชๅฏพ็ซ‹ใจใ‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ、ใฟใ‚“ใช็ตถๅฏพใซ่ฒ ใ‘ใŸใ็„กใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใฉใ‚“ใฉใ‚“ใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใŒไธŠใŒใ‚‹。

๋‚˜๋ผ๋ณ„๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ, ์™ธ๊ตญ ๋ผ์ดํ„ฐ๋“ค์ด ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ํ™œ๋™ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์•„์‹œ์•„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์กด์ค‘ ์—†์ด ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์— ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ด์š”. ์ธ๋„๋„ค์‹œ์•„์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ž๊ตญ์˜ ๋ผ์ดํ„ฐ๋“ค๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ ์”ฌ์ด ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ๋„ ์žˆ์ฃ . ์•„์‹œ์•„์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์žผ์€ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ์ถ•์ œ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋Œ€๋ฆฝ์ด ์ƒ๊ธฐ๋ฉด, ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์ง€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ ์  ๋” ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ๋†’์•„์ ธ์š”.


Q

Since the early 2000s, you have traveled to many cities across Asia and witnessed the development of graffiti scenes in each region. Can you share your personal insights on this?

2000ๅนดไปฃๅˆ้ ญใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใฎๅคšใใฎ้ƒฝๅธ‚ใ‚’ๅทกใ‚Š、ๅ„ๅœฐๅŸŸใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใŒ็™บๅฑ•ใ™ใ‚‹ๆง˜ๅญใ‚’็›ดๆŽฅ่ฆ‹ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ。ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆๅ€‹ไบบ็š„ใชใŠ่ฉฑใ‚’่žใ‹ใ›ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„。
2000๋…„๋Œ€ ์ดˆ๋ฐ˜๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์•„์‹œ์•„์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๋„์‹œ๋ฅผ ๋Œ์•„๋‹ค๋…”๊ณ  ๊ฐ ์ง€์—ญ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์”ฌ์ด ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ์ง์ ‘ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.


A

Before 2005, many Asian countries had very few people using the internet, so traveling to do graffiti was full of surprises. We both gave and received a lot from those experiences. Nowadays, everyone uses Instagram, and information is everywhere. Even spray cans have improved. Back then, we struggled with local cans, but now there are graffiti-specific spray paints made in Asia. With the right tools and information, we should be taking things to the next level instead of just imitating others or engaging in beef.

2005ๅนดไปฅๅ‰ใฏใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใฎๅคšใใฎๅ›ฝใฏใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ไบบใŒๅฐ‘ๆ•ฐใ ใฃใŸใจใ“ใ‚ใ‚‚ๅคšใใฆ、ใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใฎๆ—…ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚‚้ฉšใใฎ้€ฃ็ถšใ ใฃใŸ。ใ“ใกใ‚‰ใ‹ใ‚‰ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚‚ใ‚ใฃใŸใ—、ไธŽใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚‚ๅคšใ‹ใฃใŸ。ไปŠใฏใ‚คใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใจใ‹ใฟใ‚“ใช่ฆ‹ใฆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰、ใ„ใ„ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใฏๆƒ…ๅ ฑใŒๆบขใ‚Œใฆใ‚‹。็ผถใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ‚ˆใญ、ๆ˜”ใฏใƒญใƒผใ‚ซใƒซ็ผถใง่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆใŸใ‚“ใ ใ‘ใฉ、ไปŠใงใฏใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ข็™บใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผๅฐ‚็”จใ‚นใƒ—ใƒฌใƒผใชใ‚“ใฆใฎใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚‹。ๆƒ…ๅ ฑใ‚„้“ๅ…ทใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰、ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆดปใ‹ใ—ใฆๆฌกใฎใ‚นใƒ†ใƒƒใƒ—ใซ่กŒใในใใ 。็œŸไผผใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚ŠBEEFใฎ็œŸไผผไบ‹ใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใฆใฏใƒ€ใƒกใ 。

2005๋…„ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ์•„์‹œ์•„์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋†€๋ผ์›€์˜ ์—ฐ์†์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋งŽ์•˜์ฃ . ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ธ์Šคํƒ€๊ทธ๋žจ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ณด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ๋„˜์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์บ”๋„ ์ข‹์•„์กŒ์–ด์š”. ์˜ˆ์ „์—๋Š” ํ˜„์ง€ ์บ”์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ ์ƒํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด์ œ๋Š” ์•„์‹œ์•„์‚ฐ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์ „์šฉ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ์ด๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ •๋ณด์™€ ๋„๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ด ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋กœ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ด์š”. ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‹ธ์›€ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•ˆ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


Q

Beyond Asia, you have also traveled the world, working on graffiti in various countries. How do you perceive the differences in graffiti scenes across nations?

ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใ ใ‘ใงใชใ、ไธ–็•Œไธญใ‚’ๆ—…ใ—ใฆๆง˜ใ€…ใชๅ›ฝใงใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใฎไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ。ๅ„ๅ›ฝใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใฏใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็•ฐใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
์•„์‹œ์•„๋ฟ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ๊ตญ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์”ฌ์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋А๋ผ์…จ๋‚˜์š”?


A

In the U.S., you have to work hard to get your name known. You have to put your name out there, and since there’s a lot of buffing, you have to keep going. There’s a lot of conflict too—police, gangs, and racial discrimination. But in the U.S., if you’re good at something, you’ll get respect, and if you keep at it for a while, the situation will change. I learned a lot from that. Spain had a more free and fun graffiti scene, and the food was great. Eastern Europe’s styles are really unique. I was shocked because I saw styles there that didn’t exist in the U.S. or Japan. I was even influenced by the eerie and strange styles of Eastern Europe.

ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใงใฏๅๅ‰ใŒ้€šใฃใฆใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใƒ€ใƒกใ ใ‹ใ‚‰、ใจใซใ‹ใ้ ‘ๅผตใ‚‹ใ—ใ‹็„กใ„、ๅๅ‰ใ‚’่ชญใพใ›ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ—、BUFFใ‚‚ๅคšใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฒขๅฑฑใ‚„ใ‚‰ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„、่‰ฒใ€…ใชๅฏพ็ซ‹ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ—、่ญฆๅฏŸใ‚‚ใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚“ใฉใใ•ใ„。ไบบ็จฎใงๅทฎๅˆฅใจใ‹ใ‚‚ๅ‡„ใ„ใ‘ใฉ、ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฏไฝ•ใ‹ใงใใ‚‹ไบบใซๅฏพใ—ใฆๅ‡„ใ„ใƒชใ‚นใƒšใ‚ฏใƒˆใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰、ใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ‚Œใฐ็Šถๆณใฏๅค‰ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใ ใ‚ˆใญ、ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‰ฒใ€…ๅญฆใ‚“ใ 。ใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒซใฏ่‡ช็”ฑใช้ขจๆฝฎใง、ใ™ใ”ใๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸ。ใ”้ฃฏใ‚‚ใ†ใพใ„。ๆฑๆฌงใ‚‚ใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒซใŒ้ข็™ฝใใฆ、็ตถๅฏพใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใ‚„ๆ—ฅๆœฌใซ็„กใ„ใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒซใฐใ‹ใ‚ŠใงใณใณใฃใŸ、ๆฑๆฌงใฎไธๆฐ—ๅ‘ณใชๅค‰ใชใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒซใซใ‚‚ๅฝฑ้Ÿฟๅ—ใ‘ใŸ。

๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ด๋ฆ„์ด ์•Œ๋ ค์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ๊ทธ์ € ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋ฐ–์— ์—†์–ด์š”. ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋˜๊ณ , ๋งŽ์€ ์–‘์˜ ๋ฒ„ํ”„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์—„์ฒญ ๋งŽ์ด ์ž‘์—…ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”. ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋Œ€๋ฆฝ๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐฑ๋‹จ๋„ ๊ท€์ฐฎ์€ ์กด์žฌ์ฃ . ์ธ์ข… ์ฐจ๋ณ„๋„ ์‹ฌํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์€ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์กด๊ฒฝ์„ ํ‘œํ•ด์š”. ์ž ์‹œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ณ€ํ•ด์š”. ์ •๋ง ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฑธ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์€ ์ž์œ ๋กœ์šด ๋ถ„์œ„๊ธฐ์—ฌ์„œ ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์–ด์š”. ์Œ์‹๋„ ๋ง›์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ ์š”. ๋™์œ ๋Ÿฝ๋„ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์ด ๋…ํŠนํ•ด์„œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด๋‚˜ ์ผ๋ณธ์— ์—†๋Š” ์Šคํƒ€์ผ๋“ค๋กœ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์–ด์š”. ๋™์œ ๋Ÿฝ์˜ ๊ธฐ์ดํ•˜๊ณ  ๋…ํŠนํ•œ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์—๋„ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


Q

Could you share a memorable episode or story from your experience with graffiti?

ใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไธญใงๅฐ่ฑกใซๆฎ‹ใฃใŸใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐไธ€ใคๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„。
๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ƒ๊ธด ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋“ค ์ค‘์—์„œ ๊ธฐ์–ต์— ๋‚จ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋งŒ ๋งํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.


A

I had a tough time with arrests, detention, and court cases in NYC, but I was happy to see tags by SKUF and UFO at the fines window. In the Czech Republic, I was writing on a train when the police chased me. I lost my friends and ended up wandering through a dark forest I had never seen before, filled with unfamiliar trees and plants. I remember looking up at the sky and seeing Orion’s Belt, which helped calm me down a bit.

NYCใงใฎ้€ฎๆ•、ๅ‹พ็•™、่ฃๅˆคใชใฉ่‰ฒใ€…ใ‚ใฃใฆๅคงๅค‰ใ ใฃใŸใ‚“ใ ใ‘ใฉ、็ฝฐ้‡‘ใฎ็ช“ๅฃใซSKUFใจUFOใฎใ‚ฟใ‚ฐใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใฎใŒๅฌ‰ใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸ。ใƒใ‚งใ‚ณใง้›ป่ปŠใซๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ‚‹ๆ™‚ใซ่ญฆๅฏŸใซ่ฟฝใ‚ใ‚Œใฆ、ๅ‹้”ใจใ‚‚ใฏใใ‚Œใฆ、่ฆ‹ใŸไบ‹ใชใ„ๆœจใ‚„่‰ใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใฎๅคœใฎๆฃฎใฎไธญใ‚’ๅฝทๅพจใฃใฆใŸใจใ、ใตใจ็ฉบใ‚’ใฟใŸใ‚‰ใ‚ชใƒชใ‚ชใƒณๅบงใŒใ‚ใฃใŸ。็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๆ˜Ÿๅบงใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—ๅฟƒใŒ่ฝใก็€ใ„ใŸใฎใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹。

๋‰ด์š•์—์„œ ์ฒดํฌ๋˜๊ณ  ๊ตฌ๊ธˆ๋˜๊ณ  ์žฌํŒ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ด์–ด์ง„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ผ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋ฒŒ๊ธˆ์„ ๋‚ด๋Š” ์ฐฝ๊ตฌ์—์„œ SKUF์™€ UFO์˜ ํƒœ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋ณธ ๊ฒŒ ๊ธฐ๋ปค์–ด์š”. ์ฒด์ฝ”์—์„œ ๊ธฐ์ฐจ์— ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์—๊ฒŒ ์ซ“๊ธฐ๊ณ , ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ๋„ ํ—ค์–ด์ ธ์„œ ๋ณธ ์  ์—†๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ฌด์™€ ํ’€๋งŒ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐค์˜ ์ˆฒ์†์„ ํ—ค๋งค๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋•Œ ๋ฌธ๋“ ํ•˜๋Š˜์„ ๋ณด๋‹ˆ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์˜จ ์ž๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋”๋ผ๊ณ ์š”. ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ณ„์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์•ˆ์ •๋˜์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒŒ ๊ธฐ์–ต์— ๋‚จ์•„์š”.


Q

What do you think Asian graffiti artists need to further develop to gain more recognition on the international stage?

ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚นใƒˆใŒๅ›ฝ้š›่ˆžๅฐใงๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’ๆตดใณใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใฏ、ใฉใฎ็‚นใ‚’ใ‚‚ใฃใจ็™บๅฑ•ใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ในใใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
์•„์‹œ์•„์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๋“ค์ด ๊ตญ์ œ ๋ฌด๋Œ€์—์„œ ์ฃผ๋ชฉ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์ ์„ ๋” ๋ฐœ์ „์‹œ์ผœ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?


A

Not many people are really good at lettering. I think you can become famous if you write a lot of cool, readable lettering.

ใƒฌใ‚ฟใƒชใƒณใ‚ฐไธŠๆ‰‹ใ„ไบบใฃใฆๅฐ‘ๆ•ฐๆดพใ ใจๆ€ใ†、่ชญใ‚ใฆใ‚ซใƒƒใ‚ณใ„ใ„ใƒฌใ‚ฟใƒชใƒณใ‚ฐๆฒขๅฑฑๆ›ธใ„ใฆใŸใ‚‰ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ†。

๋ ˆํ„ฐ๋ง์„ ์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์†Œ์ˆ˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋ ˆํ„ฐ๋ง์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์“ฐ๋ฉด ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


Q

What do you consider to be the most important element in creating graffiti?

ใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚’่กŒใ†ไธŠใงๆœ€ใ‚‚้‡่ฆใช่ฆ็ด ใฏไฝ•ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ํ•จ์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์š”์†Œ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?


A

If you’re not good at tagging, it’s no good.

ใ‚ฟใ‚ฐไธŠๆ‰‹ใใชใ„ใจใƒ€ใƒก。

ํƒœ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ž˜ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋ผ์š”.


Q

What has been the biggest challenge and the most rewarding aspect of your life as a graffiti artist?

ใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚นใƒˆใจใ—ใฆใฎไบบ็”Ÿใงๆœ€ๅคงใฎๆŒ‘ๆˆฆใจใ‚„ใ‚ŠใŒใ„ใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์‚ถ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋„์ „๊ณผ ๋ณด๋žŒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?


A

I’m in the middle of challenges, so I can’t say yet.

ไปŠๆŒ‘ๆˆฆไธญใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใช。

์ง€๊ธˆ ๋„์ „ ์ค‘์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.


Q

Outside of Osaka, is there a particular place where you love to work?

ๅคง้˜ชไปฅๅค–ใง็‰นใซๆ„›็€ใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ไฝœๆฅญๅ ดๆ‰€ใฏใฉใ“ใงใ™ใ‹?
์˜ค์‚ฌ์นด ์™ธ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์• ์ •์ด ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ž‘์—… ์žฅ์†Œ๋Š” ์–ด๋””์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?


A

I like traveling around different places in Java, but Jakarta is the most exciting.

JAWAๅณถใฎๅ„ๅœฐใ‚’ๅ›žใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅฅฝใใ ใ‘ใฉJAKARTAใŒไธ€็•ชใ‚จใ‚ญใ‚ตใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใ‹ใช。

์ž์™€ ์„ฌ์˜ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ง€์—ญ์„ ๋„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ž์นด๋ฅดํƒ€๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฅ๋ฏธ์ง„์ง„ํ•ด์š”.


Q

What social message do you aim to convey through your graffiti?

ใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚’้€šใ˜ใฆใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็คพไผš็š„ใƒกใƒƒใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธใ‚’ไผใˆใŸใ„ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?


A

People often ask me, "Why do you only write your name?" The goal of graffiti is to spread your name, not deliver a specific message. But I think it has an unspoken power to influence people and connect them. I want to spread this amazing culture as much as possible.

ไฝ•ใง่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅๅ‰ใ—ใ‹ๆ›ธใ‹ใชใ„ใ‚“ใ ?ใฃใฆ่จ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบ‹ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‘ใฉ、ใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅๅ‰ใ‚’ๅบƒใ‚ใ‚‹ไบ‹ใŒ็›ฎ็š„ใง、ใƒกใƒƒใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธ็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใฏ็„กใ„。่จ€่‘‰ใซใฏใงใใชใ„ๅฝฑ้ŸฟๅŠ›ใจ、ไบบใจไบบใ‚’็น‹ใ’ใ‚‹ๅŠ›ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ†。ใ“ใฎ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ซใƒซใƒใƒฃใƒผใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—ใงใ‚‚ๅบƒใ‚ใฆใ„ใใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ‚‹。

์™œ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„๋งŒ ์“ฐ๋ƒ๊ณ  ๋ฌป๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผํ‹ฐ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉ์ ์ด์—์š”. ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ง๋กœ๋Š” ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ์˜ํ–ฅ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ํž˜์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ์ด ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋ฌธํ™”๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ์ด๋ผ๋„ ๋” ๋„๋ฆฌ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


Q

Can you tell us about your current projects and future plans?

็พๅœจ้€ฒ่กŒไธญใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใ‚„ไปŠๅพŒใฎ่จˆ็”ปใซใคใ„ใฆๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„。
ํ˜„์žฌ ์ž‘์—… ์ค‘์ธ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋‚˜ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ์˜ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


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I want to write lettering in various places. I’m planning to go to Taiwan soon. My friends in Jakarta keep asking me when I’ll be back, so I’m planning to return at some point. I used to visit Korea often, but it’s been a while, so I want to do a painting tour there.

่‰ฒใ€…ใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใƒฌใ‚ฟใƒชใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’ๆ›ธใใŸใ„。่ฟ‘ใ€…ใฏๅฐๆนพใซ่กŒใไบˆๅฎš。ใ‚ธใƒฃใ‚ซใƒซใ‚ฟใฎๅ‹้”ใฏ、ใ„ใคๆˆปใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใ‚“ใ ?ใฃใฆ่จ€ใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆ™‚ๆœŸใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆไบˆๅฎšใ‚’็ต„ใฟใŸใ„。้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝใ‚‚ๆ˜”ๆฒขๅฑฑ่กŒใฃใŸใฎใซ、ๆœ€่ฟ‘่กŒใฃใฆใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰、ใƒšใ‚คใƒณใƒˆใƒ„ใ‚ขใƒผใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ‚‹。

์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์žฅ์†Œ์—์„œ ๋ ˆํ„ฐ๋ง์„ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”. ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ์‹œ์ผ ๋‚ด์— ๋Œ€๋งŒ์— ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์นด๋ฅดํƒ€์˜ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์€ ์–ธ์ œ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๋ƒ๊ณ  ๋ฌป๋Š”๋ฐ, ์‹œ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ด์„œ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ํ•œ๊ตญ๋„ ์˜ˆ์ „์— ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ”์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ตœ๊ทผ์—๋Š” ์•ˆ ๊ฐ”์œผ๋‹ˆ, ํŽ˜์ธํŠธ ํˆฌ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.


Q

As an individual, what is your ultimate goal?

ๅ€‹ไบบใจใ—ใฆใฎๆœ€็ต‚็›ฎๆจ™ใซใคใ„ใฆๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„。
ํ•œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ์ตœ์ข… ๋ชฉํ‘œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.


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I don’t have an ultimate goal, but I want to keep doing this for as long as I can. Also, everyone, make sure to wear a mask when using spray paint—it’s bad for your health. If you inhale too much, you won’t be able to paint anymore, and I definitely want to avoid that.

ๆœ€็ต‚็›ฎๆจ™ใฏ็„กใ„ใ‘ใฉ、ใšใฃใจใ“ใ‚“ใชๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใใŸใ„。็š†ใ•ใ‚“、ใ‚นใƒ—ใƒฌใƒผใฏไฝ“ใซๆ‚ชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฏๅ‡บๆฅใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใคใ‘ใฆไธ‹ใ•ใ„。ๅธใ„ใพใใฃใฆใ‚‹ใจ็ตถๅฏพ้€”ไธญใงไฝ“ๆ‚ชใใชใฃใฆๆ›ธใ‘ใชใใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰、ใใ‚Œใฏ้ฟใ‘ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ‚‹。

์ตœ์ข… ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ณ„์† ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ํ•ด๋‚˜๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ์ด๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์— ์•ˆ ์ข‹์œผ๋‹ˆ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ผญ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ํก์ž…ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์ด ๋‚˜๋น ์ ธ์„œ ์ž‘์—…์„ ๋ชป ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ํ”ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.